The Partial Gum-Seal Approach ([info]gundy) wrote,
@ 2009-10-26 12:01:00
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Anyone have a problem with the Globetrotters' behavior at the end there? Because I sure didn't. I thought it was pretty awesome and smart, and as good-natured as could be, honestly. Makes me like 'em more.

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[info]jeevwoman
2009-10-26 05:04 pm UTC (link)
I didn't think it was any worse than what Caanan was doing to his own team member; I mean, I thought he was much worse.

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[info]gundy
2009-10-26 05:35 pm UTC (link)
He's a real piece of shit. If she had slipped at the top of the slide while he was trying to get her to sit down, she could've gotten all fucked up going down. The closest her sissy ass came to actually going was when he retreated to the other side of the platform; then he came back to yell at her some more and she froze again.

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[info]jessicala
2009-10-26 09:49 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, he needed to back the hell up and let her get past her fear on her own. I was identifying with her pretty strongly at that point because I've been in situations where I'm terrified to do something, and having someone trying to "help" when I'm trying to psych myself up for it is not helpful at all.
I was a little peeved with the Globetrotters' comments at first because all they were doing was adding to the pressure. The fact that they were competing to not get eliminated mitigates it for me a little bit - you do what you have to do in order to stay in the race. If they'd been mid-pack I would have seen it as more of a jerk thing to do, which would be sad because I really like the Globetrotters.

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No problem at all
[info]jdoh
2009-10-26 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Me too! It made me smile. That's what a race is about. Smack talk is all part of what goes on. Besides, I really was sick of her (whatever her name was) whining. We listened to more than two minutes of her whining and at most she listened to smack talk from the Globetrotters for two minutes. Hell, I think she got the better end of the deal.

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[info]beagledave
2009-10-26 05:09 pm UTC (link)
Yeah her boyfriend was all "there's power in forgiveness" at the post race interview.

I bet he turned to her after the cameras were off and said "there's power in the back of my hand too, crybaby"

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[info]jeevwoman
2009-10-26 05:22 pm UTC (link)
By the way, they were up there for 45 MINUTES!!! Globetrotters did it in about 30 seconds.

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[info]gundy
2009-10-26 05:31 pm UTC (link)
She's a self-righteous princess; he's a self-righteous psycho. I hope they have kids -- they'll make great parents.

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[info]gundy
2009-10-26 05:32 pm UTC (link)
And it was BARELY smack talk. "If you're too scared to do it, don't do it" is like the most innocuous thing you could say in that situation without being a fucking cheerleader.

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[info]marys_second
2009-10-26 07:59 pm UTC (link)
No problem at all. If they were normally assy, I'd probably feel differently about it but they're not. I thought it was funny.

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[info]gundy
2009-10-26 08:25 pm UTC (link)
That's how it comes out for me, too. I generally find them awfully likeable, so it didn't come across as anything but good-natured to me; someone who was disinclined to like them would find it dicky.

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[info]bristlesage
2009-10-27 03:43 am UTC (link)
I like them a lot, but I thought it was a jerk move. Totally unnecessary in my eyes. Wait your two minutes, beat them straight-up.

Part of it, though, was that I really understood her fear and it felt to me like picking on an area over which she had no control. I'm not sure how much she could help (without lots of therapy) being afraid of those things, and their giving her shit about such a sensitive thing really bothered me.

Anyway, it doesn't ruin the Globetrotters for me, and I do think you can explain a lot of it away with, "RACE!", but I didn't like it.

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[info]gundy
2009-10-27 04:12 pm UTC (link)
Huh. I have to tell you, I loved it. I really did. I mean, you know firsthand my problems with water, and I'm no big fan of heights, so I understand phobias and total fear reaction. But they only saw like thirty seconds of her freakout -- when they got there, she was sitting there in the flume looking relatively calm. So it came across as the mildest of teasing to me -- teasing that, as far as they knew, might even light a fire under her ass to go down the damn slide already. I'd've had a problem with it if they said something like, "I heard a guy broke his neck on one of those things, you're right to be scared."

What really surprises me, though, is reactions to Canaan like this one from the TWOP forums: "When Canaan was holding her and forcing her over to the slide I didn't and still don't see it as an abusive thing." Um, WHAT? I'm not saying he's a capital-A Abuser, but that act was absolutely, unquestionably abusive.

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[info]bristlesage
2009-10-27 04:31 pm UTC (link)
On Canaan, we are in total agreement. Abuser, maybe not, but abusive, absolutely. And I do think he regularly discounted her feelings; he laughed at her fear of heights when they were headed to the Burj Dubai and seemed dismissive of her fear of water throughout. On that count, definitely a pattern of some (probably low-level) emotional abuse. He might grow out of some of that, I hope.

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